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Greetings people,this is my first post here,someone directed me here from talking to him of my situation with said breeder.Over time I paid $1,000.00 for a male puppy from Brandon.About the time the puppy was due to be at their new homes I lost my job in dec.2009,a wrench was thrown into many plans I had.I DID NOT make a payment @ the 3 week age of the puppy,looked over contract did not see a payment was to be made at that time.I guess since I did not make that payment he figured I was no longer interested. On jan.30,2010 I seen on pedigree data base dot com, a male puppy advertised by said breeder,I contacted him and it was the puppy I had paid money for,he wanted more money since the puppy was now older. I contacted him on jan.30,2010 and told him of my job lose situation. He agreed to put the money I paid him on another litter in the future on feb.1,2010.As time went on I"m still collecting unemployment all the while my bills snow ball out of control.On june 21, 2010 I contacted brandon and I ask if my money can be refunded,4 days later june 25,2010 he politely replies,he'd rather not do business in this manner,and says he'll keep me in his prayers.I replied to that and thanked him,I need all the help I can get and asked if I'm still on good standings for a puppy from a future litter,he still to date did not answer me about the good standing part,he still has $1,000.00. Hopefully my situation will turn around and I can eventually get a puppy.So july 16,2010, I'm weeks away from foreclosure and possibly bankruptcy.Since I read all the postings about Brandon on this site,which the person I was talking to told me about,I had to see it for my self,is this considered bad ethics what he did or didn't do with the papers for peoples puppies? So I might be out of $1,000.00 and nothing to show for it,but it would come in handy due to my situation,what say you all.

well if you were not buying a show puppy the price should not be that much higher than the thousand he has,... you should have done your home work first.. 1000. deposit is a joke..... but then you double stepped a lot and i can see where he is not dealing with you any more.. just try to call him and see if you can get a puppy from him that is a pet...

wow MORE PROBLEMS FOR VOM HAUSE BRIGHT!!!!!!! When someone is going through some hard times & they give you a deposit before the hard times hit them i think that they should get there money back.. putting a roof over your head is more importing then getting a puppy for 1000 to 2000 bux or what ever he is charging... i would have no problem refunding money in a case like this but there are many people out there that will tell you that you lose your deposit & not even move you to a different litter or even bother to call you back... good luck bro hope you can get your money back on this 1...

awful lot of complaints for a guy who has been in the breed for such a short time. Its a shame cuz he has some nice dogs, but what good is it if you cant trust him. WHile you did back out of the puppy he should not be keeping your money. While i tell people that deposits are non-refundable, I have never kept anyones money that backed out on a puppy. I term the deposits like that just so people ubderstand that this is a serious thing getting a puppy and not just a fly by night purchase where you can take it back to the return desk like you bought it at Wal-Mart. Good Luck in your situation, with this "kennel" and with your finacial issues.

I did not pay a deposit of $1,000.00 I paid $500.00 deposit, and $500.00 when pup was born and thats it.This would of been my 4th rottweiler during my life,all my dogs lived their lives to the fullest 12 years,10 years but the last one, he got real sick after having not so serious surgery he was only 3.9 years old,I got him off of someone 5 years ago, I see that this breeder has comments written about him on this site.

I know someone who placed $1900 DOWN on a puppy from a different breeder down south and then her dad died and then she had some serious medical issues so could not take a pup,and the breeder refused to return the cash. They keep emailing her to see if she wants a pup (they have several 2-8 month olds now available) but she does not want one of their pups now. She has pretty much given up on ever seeing the cash again

I find it interesting that Greg used the same wording as a friend of mine who dealt with Brandon.... "I would rather not do business this way...." that must be Brandon's moto. I wonder how many other people he has said this to who do not know about this forum! He does have some great dogs but I will never deal with him!

I have noticed he is advertising on puppyfind.com quite a bit Just FYI

I also purchased 2 pups from Brandon. Originally I was only getting one from his " B " litter. When I went to pick her up he had a female left from his " A " litter I decided to get. To good of a pedegree to pass up. Lewis Vom Kummelsee X Oki Vom Neubrand. He did not have papers at this time, November. My wife lost her job in Jan. and I had the slowest winter since my first year on the job. didn't work from the end of Nov. to mid April. Our house is also being forclosed on.
I called Brandon in Feb. and told him about our situation. I asked him if he would help me sell the puppies. He said no, he does not do that, but he would take the puppies back. I then realized he was unwilling to help me and just asked him to send me my AKC papers. He responded that I was just getting limited registration, I told him that was unacceptable since I would never purchase a dog with limited registration and this was never agreed to until he found out I was having money problems. Without getting into to much detail we went back and forth with him constantly trying to get our papers. Finally we got our papers, full registration. However, we ended up selling the " B" litter pup to a pet home for very little money, we still have the " A" litter female that we would like to sell before we lose our home. I called and told Donnergerg about our problems with Brandon, she suggested that I tell our story. She also told me I could advertise the female on here. My thoughts are: Brandon should give this guy his money back. He has great dogs but he has questionable ethics.

Brandon is a jackass!!!!!!! all he cares about is selling his pups.. he does have nice dogs but with that said he is a scumbag. Why not help people out that are losing there house.. THATS RIGHT BRANDON YOUR A SCUMBAG!!!!!!!! WHEN YOU SEE ME I WILL ALSO SAY IT TO YOUR FACE WITH NO PROBLEM!!!!!!!!!

Alot of people are being affected by our current economic crissis. I wish that Brandon would just give this guy his money back. Before things got bad if someone backed out of a dog I could understand holding on to a deposit. Things are not the same people are losing everything. It's bad I hope no one has to deal with the things we have had to deal with. I did not forsee the changes that hit us I'm certain this guy didn't either. Maybe Brandon is also having trouble alot of people are. I must be honest my goals when I bought the dogs was to breed them for a little extra money. As well as train and title them with my friends in sport. I myself have made alot of mistakes in life. We are all guilty of this! I think Brandon does want to produce the best dog's he can. He does love the breed. That is a fact. I personally tested his dogs seen them they are great animals!! He had great advice on the dogs in Germany. I got the dogs from him because they were nice dog's. Brandon may have made some bad choices. He may have to learn from his mistakes just like the rest of us. I did get my papers and he even offered to buy Anya back. It was just for alot less than I wanted for her. But so what his choice and mine. Everyone should just take a step back and stop trying to rip each other apart.

I guess my only question is with these great dogs he has and breedings he has done, why not keep something from those litters. Why not promote himself as a breeder instead of just an owner of some nice dogs. The only promotion of his kennel has been bad publicity from people who feel they were wronged. Gerald I hope you are right and he learns from this and does better for his clients in the future.

It does not matter whether you have nice dogs or a nice website. Character is developed by nature, you can't teach someone to be ethical. Keep Vocal and let the truth be heard. Best of luck and dont give up. I would take him to court- contract or no contract.

George Foreman as a young man was a mean violent man. He was always beating people up. When he was in his early 30's changed his life completely and became one of the nicest men you'd ever want to meet. In his mid 40's became the oldest heavyweight boxing champ ever. Produced the George Foreman Grill and he is a minister. He made a choice and he chose wisely.

I generally try to steer clear of topics such as these but I really wanted to share my opinion on this one. I do not know this breeder at all (I have exchanged a couple of e-mails and one phone call with him in the past about a litter he was having and to talk Rotts, and that was all) and I have no reason to attack and/or defend him. That being said, ONLY LOOKING AT THE ONE SCENARIO IN THIS THREAD, I really can't see what he has done wrong at all as a breeder. Yes, there are probably dozens of breeders out there who may have felt sympathetic to Dirkster's situation, but we all know there are hundreds of ethical breeders who would just say "I'm sorry to hear of your situation, but please see my contract where it says DEPOSITS ARE NON-REFUNDABLE".

I myself have tried getting a deposit back from a breeder in the past, unsuccessfully. I was 24 years old, living paycheck to paycheck with VERY little "extra money" in the bank to fall back on. Did I think that breeder was a "scumbag"? At the time, yes I did. Looking back on it, was it their fault? No, it was my own for taking a risk on sending a deposit before I was 100% certain on that litter and ultimately selecting another one. I wrote that breeder explaining my situation and how that $500 would mean the world to me just to help with the costs of my future puppy’s food, crate, collar, etc etc, since I wasn’t a wealthy person and really “needed” it. I realize this situation was different from the one being discussed, but Brandon was given money that he may have spent or invested into his dogs under the understanding that this money was now his and would never need to be refunded.

From what Dirkster has written here, as someone who barely even knows Brandon, I'm quite sure the $1,000 he has given him will absolutely be credited to Dirkster for a puppy from vom Hause Bright whenever he is ready for one. I would also bet, based on what I've heard from others, that said puppy will be well-bred and well taken care of, which, when it comes down to it, should really be all we ask of a GOOD (but maybe not "exceptionally ethical") breeder.

I believe it's always up to both involved parties to read through the contract they're signing and know that regardless of what may happen in their personal lives, they must be prepared to adhere to it. What if everyone who sent deposits to this breeder tried telling him they were going bankrupt and they “needed” their money back? Should he just believe them all or feel bad for everyone because of their claim? Please don’t think I am accusing you of lying Dirk, because I do believe you, but there are just so many reasons someone could want or “need” money back that I can understand why the vast majority of breeders (both ethical and unethical) throw that “DEPOSIT IS NON-REFUNDABLE” clause into their contracts so the headache of needing to decide what to do in these situations doesn’t need to happen. Consider what you might say if Brandon sold you a puppy, unexpectedly went bankrupt and lost everything he owned, then contacted you pleading that you please understand and give him that puppy back because he knew someone who would be interested in buying him and he needed to resell him for the money? Plain and simple, that would be a breach of contract and though he went bankrupt, would you honestly send him that puppy back so he could get $1,000-$2,000? MAYBE you would, but you would expect everyone out there to do the same? Though I may not seem it, I am extremely sympathetic to your situation, Dirkster; I just honestly feel that this particular breeder is now just being attacked when he is really not doing anything wrong. I will not comment on other accusations that have been thrown at this breeder, because maybe they were legitimate and maybe they weren’t. I am just looking at the topic at hand. I know this guy has a passion for Rottweilers, shows his dogs, places importance on working titles, pays close attention to the health, beauty, and working traits of different pedigrees, and has close ties with reputable breeders abroad. Again I am not even trying to defend him in such a way that I'm telling anyone to go out and buy a puppy from him. If he (or anyone else) screws you for not adhering to a contract then by alllll means I would urge anyone to alert the Rottweiler community of it, but I truly do not believe this particular case deserves to be up here causing people to attack this breeder for adhering to the terms of his contract. Not that I'm expecting/asking anyone to care, it's really not the original post I'm bothered by so much as he is just someone who is upset posting about questionable ethics; I think that information should just be taken in by individuals so they can personally contemplate if they want to do business with that person; but is it really necessary for all the extras to come on here and start bashing them? Maybe I'm alone in thinking that is absurd and childish.

I also don't know the Brights

BUT I DO feel very strongly that this NON refundable deposit thing among many dog people is the single most ridiculous thing ever created

IF you take a deposit and the person decides for whatever reason that they do not/cannot take a pup afterall just send the money back AFTER you sell the pup that deposit was on.

If someone puts down a deposit and then something happens to make it a hardship for them to take a pup why would I want to keep their money? If someone changes their mind and does not want one of my pups why would I want to force them to do so?

If I go to a car dealer and put down a deposit on a car and then either can't get the financing or for whatever reason cannot/don't want the car they give you your money back (less perhaps a $50 paperwork fee)

Non refundable deposits are simply in place by greedy/selfish people sorry if I offend

What is crazy is 1000.00 deposit... I charge 250.00 hell some of my dogs sell for 1000.00

If you read my initial message I paid $1,000.00 OVER TIME,NOT DEPOSIT.I paid a $500.00 deposit and then another $500.00
with the intention of getting a puppy,UNTIL I UNEXPECTEDLY LOST MY JOB,this threw a wrench into my future plans,BIG TIME.